Saturday, 2013-06-22

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@juicemeGood Juhannus everybody :)01:41
@juiceme(Juhannus = Midsommer Festival in finland...)01:41
rikaneeohai juiceme!01:43
@juicemeohai rikanee02:06
@juicemeMidsummer's up :)02:06
rikaneejuiceme: sigh, I wish my summer's still half-up ;)02:06
rikaneefirst year uni now, and wow, it's… different from secondary.02:07
@juicemesure it is, I've used up less than half of my summer leave, am back at work for a week and then back to leave...02:07
@juicemeah sure, it _does_ get a bit difficulter from there on :)02:07
@juicemewhat are you majoring on?02:08
@juicemeand don't ya have summer leave from uni?02:08
rikaneejuiceme: summer's April - June, majoring in BS Medical Technology, then taking up Medicine.02:09
@juicemeah, you have a bit skewed calendar from what we are using :)02:10
rikaneeyep. rainy season now, and it kinda sucks because our uni's flood-prone D:02:10
@juicemeMedical was one of my original plans, but it turned out I went to Mechanical Eng instead.02:10
rikaneejuiceme: I'd have went for EE, but the jobs here suck for that02:11
@juicemelots of floods around now... I knew central europe is drenched and just today saw that same happens in americas also...02:11
@juicemewell I have been lucky in that, there's also been some unemplyment here but I've always found work02:12
@juicemeit was kind of funny BTW how I ended up where I did... I missed the entry exams to Medical by a week! I had the wrong date on my calendar and when I showed up for the exams there was nobody there... :(02:13
@juicemeI had already been accepted for Mechanical/Robotics so that's where I went.02:14
@juicemelotsa things could have been different otherways, maybe02:15
@juicemenot that I have done much on my line of work, though.02:16
@juicemeI've done test equipment design, RF board design, embedded SW, IP stack SW, network processor SW, telecommunications signalling SW... what else?02:17
rikaneejuiceme: ah man, if only the high-tech industry actually was here, things would've turned out differently ;)02:43
@juicemehmm, here being?02:44
rikanee…the Philippines.02:44
rikaneeIIRC Intel has a fab/assembly here, but the design group isn't here so meh02:44
@juicemebut I _know_ at least they used to make almost all 74xx chips there, back when :)02:44
@juicemefactories, yes. 02:45
rikaneeIIRC Intel makes ICHx and Atom chips here, saw the Philippines mark etched on a lot of 'em02:45
@juicemebut we have to try to work where we can, and it's always possible to migrate/expat, if things get too tight.02:46
@juicemefinland also, is not that high-tech, not when comparing to california I guess.02:47
rikaneejuiceme: mmm. Thought of migrating once to the US/Europe/Japan, but then again, it's actually quite convenient to live here :|02:47
rikaneecost of living, etc. Assuming you make US$40k equivalent here, you can live like a king.02:47
@juicemeand as Nokia has been moving operations off from finland too, it might not be that long that the last lights are shut off from those offices :(02:49
rikaneejuiceme: not even the HQ?02:49
@juicemeit's still there but for how long?02:50
rikaneemmm.02:50
rikaneethey sold off the HQ, right?02:50
@juicemeyes, sold the building and rented it back.02:50
rikaneeI figure it's a matter of time until they simply rebrand ODM WPx platforms.02:50
@juicemeit's what lots of companies do, actually but I'd say its symbolically bad, looks like a desperate move even if financially sound.02:51
rikaneeit's pretty short-sighted, imo.02:52
@juicemelast week there's been lots of talks in the news about Nokia being sold off to either MS or HTC02:52
rikaneepenny-wise, pound-foolish.02:52
@juicemesure02:52
rikaneeiirc, the deal fell through with MS, but HTC?02:52
@juicemebut nowdays all large companies are run by penny-pinching accountatnts02:52
rikaneearen't their investors still reeling from the Beats acquisition?02:53
@juicemeI don't see real value for HTC02:53
@juicemewhat could they gain from Nokia02:53
rikanee^+02:53
@juicemetrue02:53
rikaneethey've already got their Qualcomm chips and WP8 phones, and unless they want the Lumia design, they're not really in a position to need Nokia02:54
@juicemewhat I see inevitable in the long run, Nokia will be split into parts and sold off separately. Nowody needs the whole company02:54
rikaneeand with Qualcomm holding the LTE and LTE-A patents, Nokia's IP will eventually fall into obsolesence.02:54
@juicemesomebody gets the patent portfolio, somebody the mobile bits and somebody the networks02:55
@juicemeI have to say I don't know the depth of Nokia's portfolio, nots of essentials on WCDMA but how much on LTE...?02:56
rikaneewell, the fact that Qualcomm and only 1 or 2 others make LTE radios, that should say much02:57
@juicemeI belive there has to be quite a few LTE essentials, too, or Nokia would have opposed LTE on ITU02:57
@juicemethey at least _did_ wield a lot of power there when the standard was chosen02:58
rikaneemmm.02:58
rikaneelet's see how it eventually plays out.03:00
@juicemeNokia uses QC chipsets on the lumia devices but I rather think that's because of MS, as WP is provided on the chipsets03:00
rikaneejuiceme: yep, MS' reference BSP is Qualcomm.03:00
@juicemeforecasting is difficult business, especialy forecasring future :)03:01
rikaneealso a large part of the reason why WP7,8,and WinRT still run on HD2 ;)03:01
@juicemeyes :)03:01
@juicemewonder what Jolla will be running on, as it should have LTE from the bebinning?03:02
@juicemes/beebinning/beginning03:02
rikaneerumors are, the STE NovaThor U85xx.03:02
rikaneethey've already put out a PR that they've got a BSP for Sailfish on it, and they do have a LTE radio03:03
@juicemeif those are still on the table when production starts...03:03
rikaneemmm.03:03
@juicemehmmh, should propably go to bed.. it's 3:05 AM here...03:04
rikaneethe Slush devices were definitely protos.03:04
rikaneenight, juiceme.03:04
@juicemegnite03:04
@juicemeand happy studying :) :)03:04
rikaneeIIRC they haven't even finalized the spec sheet, so we'll still have to see what they put in.03:04
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